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    Posted: September-18-2008 at 6:54am

Hello everyone!
Due to the fact that there are still some bugs with the ATR72-500 release I will try to create a objective list of the bugs I could reproduce on my system.


Title: Missing cockpit and exterior textures

Summary: In FSX SP2 there are missing textures of the external model (luggage room) and in the VC when any light is switched to on.

Reported on: FSX SP2
Reported by: flilot, Mike6800, ecarlos, F.Schmid, nepomuk, BimC, Flydave123, sharrow,
Threads:
http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=4020
http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3931
http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3996

Status: BETA fix available,  no date for final.

Official Statement:  “We will release this for a public "beta test" you can kind of say, but if it works OK, this file will be the official update for the models.  It fixes the VC and Virtual Cabin missing and transparent areas.“  (Steve Halpern, 27.7.2008)
“There are some more model problems which require our attention. We're currently discussing to make the final big step and convert the whole model into a true FSX model. However, it's almost Christmas so most of us are pretty tied up with other (family-related) things. I will keep you updated.” (Hans Hartmann, 21.12.2007)

Comment: Seems like the final big step has been canceled?

Title:  Blurry Autopilot and EFIS Panel

Summary: At nighttime the Autopilot and EFIS panels are very blurry.

Reported on: FS9, FSX SP2, maybe an nVidia issue?
Reported by: sharrow, mhlarsen, nepomuk, bkshn, Rick Melcher, Mossie, ptisinge, Julio_GEW345, big_al, marcus67
Threads:
http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3350
http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=4340

Status: open
Official Statement:  “No. The fonts show OK. It's the rest of the graphics (the night lighting overlay) that doesn't seem to be positioned correctly. I know of a similar problem with the EFIS control panels but that was fixed during beta. This is actually the first time I see/hear about this with the autopilot.” ,(Hans Hartmann, 23.3.2008)

Title: LNAV oscillation

Summary: The ATR can´t  follow a straight line in LNAV mode when heading in northern directions. Switching to HDG mode everything is fine.

Reported on: FSX SP1 & SP2
Reported by: flilot, Jarvo Stenvall, ptisinge, svervr1, closter, nepomuk, druidnz
Threads:
 http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3858
http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=4093

Status: closed, until someone can provide a detailled route
Official Statement: "I did six test flights today. Two in NZ, two in Scandinavia and two in the Seattle area. All heading north. I'm sorry to say but LNAV worked just fine.
Can everybody, who reads this and is able to reproduce the problem please give me a complete list of addons you have installed? I'm not looking for a culprit. I just want to know what I need to install to reproduce and fix this." (Hans Hartmann, 21.09.08)

[changelog]
22.09.08: Changed the status to closed, added statement
05.10.08: Added marcus67 to "Blurry Autopilot and EFIS Panel"  


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Title: VC pushbuttons not working

Summary:  Sometimes the cursor is flickering and sometimes it doesn't recognize the button at all after one engine is started.
The proposed solution doesn’t work: “That happens when you press Shift+9 to open the "user defined panel" without having defined such a panel. Just press Shift+9 again and everything will be back to normal.” (Hans Hartmann, 17.11.2007)

Reported on: FSX SP1 &  SP2
Reported by: mig71olga, Thomas Kenobi, Cristopher, Cyril FCY-MC,  craneduitre, sharrow, nepomuk, oemm1, toemmes, BimC, Shackleton, PieEater, Wheat, fd123, marcus67

tp://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3831
http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=4475

Status: open
Official Statement: none

Comment: maybe another nVidia issue?

Title: ATR-72 with ASX crashing

Summary: FSX crashing when clicking in VNAV or PROC in the FMS with ASX.

Reported on: FSX SP1 & SP2
Reported by: collezio, nepomuk, pazzie, robin, KeyserSoze,
Threads:
http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=4326
http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=4068 http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=4111
http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=4257

Status: open
Official Statement: “This has been fixed for the next service pack (no release date yet)”, (Hans Hartmann, 3.7.2008)

Title: Config Manager Error

Summary:  Error 'Die Eingabezeichenfolge hat das falsche Format.' Modifying the aircraft.cfg station_load.X entries works, but isn’t an acceptable solution because the problem pops up again.

Reported on: FSX
Reported by: 19pecker67, nepomuk, others
Threads:
http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3973
http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3941

Status: open
Official Statement: none

Title: EHSI on MAP mode do not auto refresh when modifying route on FMC

Summary: If EHSI is in MAP mode and a change is made on route (e.g. inserting SID), the EHSI do not refresh image unless you set it to another mode and then return to MAP mode.

Reported on: FSX SP1 & SP2
Reported by: Schmid, nepomuk
Threads:
http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=4284&KW

Status: open
Official Statement: These items (in both of your threads) would be something Hans needs to look at. (Steve Halpern - 05/23/2008)

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05.10.08: Added marcus67 to "VC pushbuttons not working" 
12.10.08:Added "EHSI on MAP mode do not auto refresh when modifying route on FMC" submitted by F. Schmid

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote flilot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September-18-2008 at 8:42am
What a great, and concise list. Smile
If anyone has anything to add to the list, can you keep it to the same concise format.

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Nice job!

Maybe now Hans or Steve can update information.

Regards

Schmid

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Title:  Door from the cockpit to the cargo

Summary: After http://atr.flight1.net/files/ATR-FSX-Models.exe, it hs been unable to open/close. 

Reported on: FSX SP2, maybe an nVidia issue?
Reported by: fushi,
Threads:
http://atr.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=4340

Status: open
Official Statement:  none

Comment: I would like to add the above.

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Well, three of those issues fall into my area. Unfortunately you won't like the answer because I can't reproduce any of them.

It's the LNAV oscillation, config manager error and vc push buttons issue. I will try again and let you know if I was able to find something this time.

Best regards,
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Nice list! 

Hans, if you personally cannot reproduce 3 of these issues in FSX (and those that can are in a supposed minority) then why does the ATR not have official FSX SP2 compatibility? What's holding you guys back?

There is also the corrupted tooltip issue. Sorry, no time to reference properley. No need to really as the latest official word is that nothing can (and will) be done. This is an issue across a wide range of "older" add-on aircraft.

Another recent and "abusive" forum post (I'm sure we all read it) just goes to show that folks are frustrated (and emotional) with the atr problems under FSX SP2.

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This thread should be made into a sticky!
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Originally posted by Sharrow Sharrow wrote:

Nice list! 

Hans, if you personally cannot reproduce 3 of these issues in FSX (and those that can are in a supposed minority) then why does the ATR not have official FSX SP2 compatibility? What's holding you guys back?

Konrad

For me,

The ATR works pretty good with SP2 (FSX), but of course the main problem that has been mentioned in many posts is that this aircraft was developed using the FS9 SDK, not the FSX SDK. There isn't a better aircraft that has been "ported" over to FSX in my opinion and the little quirks and issues are minor for my system at least. Mention has been made of a ATR built with the FSX SDK and that would be very cool if it happenend. But time will tell on that.

Randy

 

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Konrad, the reason is that the model is still done with the FS9 SDK and not with the FSX SDK. Because of that, textures are not shown in DX10 Preview Mode and so the aircraft (and product) is not fully compatible with FSX SP2.

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Hi Hans

Thanks for the explanation. Did not realise that official FSX SP2 compatibility was dependant on it working under DX10. Considering DX10 support in FSX is in essence a beta I'm not at all surprised you guys are not keen to go through the effort at this stage.

In my opinion FSX will never have full DX10 support (FS11 is too close on the horizon for Aces to bother). Time will tell of course but it seems to me that the chances of an FSX SDK developed ATR are dwindling day by day as well.

Perhaps the ATR will be the very first FS11 SDK developed add-on...?

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Originally posted by Sharrow Sharrow wrote:

Did not realise that official FSX SP2 compatibility was dependant on it working under DX10.

To some customers FSX SP2 compatibility includes the DX10 preview and they will start throwing Censored..., well, unpleasant stuff at us if we call the product FSX SP2 compatible.

I have no idea when FS11 will be available. I heard late 2010, early 2011 and even late 2011 from. Whatever is correct, I won't bother thinking about FS11 until the first beta is out.

What this means for the ATR? Who knows... Embarrassed

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Hi Hans,

Not to bend the course of this thread too much, but curiosity wants me to ask that in the scheme of FLIGHT1 sales and statistics, where does the ATR rank in sales and/or popularity? If that information is public.

I'm asking in the sense of what the market pressure might do to get you guys to develop what we want Wink.

Thanks

Randy

 

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Randy,

I don't have this information myself, so I guess it's not public LOL

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LNAV oscillation

I did six test flights today. Two in NZ, two in Scandinavia and two in the Seattle area. All heading north. I'm sorry to say but LNAV worked just fine.

Can everybody, who reads this and is able to reproduce the problem please give me a complete list of addons you have installed? I'm not looking for a culprit. I just want to know what I need to install to reproduce and fix this.

Thanks a lot. Smile

Best regards,
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My problem,

Was in the seattle area, on flights from Eugene (KEUG) to Seattle (KSEA), but I have not flown that route for quite awhile. I do not have any FSX addons, except flight1 aircraft, and of course SP2 using XP Pro. Oops, I do use Vatsim so I use FSInn too, but thats it.

I am not near my computer so I do not have the info on my current version of the airac, but I did upgrade it at the point that I purchased the FSX version (ATR) so that would have been a year or so ago. The LNAV problem was not intermitant for me, it happened every time I flew that route. I have had no problem on any other route (domestic USA) that I have flown.

Thanks for looking in to it,

Randy

 

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Originally posted by randolphin2 randolphin2 wrote:

I'm asking in the sense of what the market pressure might do to get you guys to develop what we want Wink



Randy, the market pressure from FSX ONLY users is obviously not enough (the occasional emotional eruption, and inevitable trolling verdict, notwithstanding). If it was, clearly Flight1 would have released a brand new model by now.

I stand to be corrected here but in my opinion a large part of the 'problem' is that most folk can and still do revert back to their vanilla FS9 installation if anything in FSX does not work as it should. This is especially true when it comes to the complex FMC driven airliners. Reliability, stability, functionality and useability of (aircraft) systems + skyhigh FPS in pouring rain on final to Mega Airport Heathrow wins out over anything FSX brings to the table. So these folk generally do not raise hell and demand fixes like those that only have FSX are sometimes required to do.

At least that is how I imagine it being if I had invested as heavily in FS9 a few years back as I have done now for FSX.







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Originally posted by Sharrow Sharrow wrote:



Randy, the market pressure from FSX ONLY users is obviously not enough (the occasional emotional eruption, and inevitable trolling verdict, notwithstanding). If it was, clearly Flight1 would have released a brand new model by now. 

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Well,

Actually I was more interested in how the ATR stacked up statistically to other Flight1 aircraft. My mention of market pressure to bend developers was more or less a joke. Like i said before, my ATR behaves fine for my FSX system and I enjoy the aircraft as much as I enjoyed it in FS9.

If I understand what you mean about FS9 vs FSX, I agree. I at times wish there was not a FS9 to go back to. I am all for FSX with the problems that it has. I think that we need to look forward and support FSX, support the developers and move on. It will (and has) improve(d).  I have no trouble upgrading and/or building a new system every two years or so to meet the demads of a new FS. I am all for the wave of the future and right now that is FSX.

Randy

 

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Hi all!
I´ve made two flights this weekend which had the oscillation problem (EDDS-EDDV), but this time it didnt occur.
Until someone can provide a detailled route (RWY, SID, oscillation betwenn waypoint x and y) i consider the bug closed. I made several changes to the bug description to log the progress. Thank you for the effort, Hans.

Let´s move on to the next....the blurry panels.
Can anyone post a screenshot with clear panels at night on a nVidia-Card? If yes, please give a detailled system description.

Greetings
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@Konrad, Randy: please discuss this topic in a new thread and let's keep this one clean of any off topic stuff.

I will clean this thread from off topic posts later today. Smile

@Stephan: the VC push button issue can't be driver-related. I actually can create an effect as described by simply pressing Shift+9. But since somebody wrote that pressing Shift+9 again doesn't help, it seems to be something else.

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